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Nov 14, 2011 4:38 PM

Answered - Unusual Stone ? Stone Relic - What is it?

On Halloween, during the day, 31/10/11 I found an unusual stone whilst gardening. When it first entered my hands and looked at it I shrieked with oh my goodness as it appeared to be the face of a devil and had horns. I took it in the house and washed the dirt off. It definately appears as though their are ears. The back is fairly flatish. The side bit that protrudes is flat and cut in such a shape as though it may have been inserted into something.If you look at the side piece that protrudes out there is very clearly a straight line running through as though it had been attached to the object. This is certainly no ordinary stone.It also appears to me very wolf like rather than devilish. Could it have been a knife, dagger or tool handle? What is it? Can someone identify it? Have you ever seen anything like it?

 

Making sure the new photograph is here so it is not missed.The sculpture is incredible wolf like head dress, eyes, wolf ears, mouth.

I''ve also included a view ot the  piece that is smooth protruding out showing its end shape where I believe something was attached to it.

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    Nov 2, 2011 10:39 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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    As a nipper I used to find similar stones, normally flints and I was told by someone who I assumed was learned that this type of fracturing was caused by the stones being heated to incredible temperatures then being suddenly quenched with cold water. How  and why this occured I have no idea.

    Lewis

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        Nov 3, 2011 4:58 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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        "definately", who said that but you? (BTW spellcheck please!)

        "heating up of a stone by man" who said that?

        "formed into", who said that?

        I could continue, but I won't bore my readers.

         

        Ooh, please TROLL, go away, read some books right side down. And get a brain, and start to think - and observe! Instead of trying to squish whatever you have seen (and only remembered half of it) into your ignorant phantasies! I had to write this! Excuse me!

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            Nov 3, 2011 5:29 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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            Dear LadyTrojan,

             

            Thank you for posting the photo. It didn't look like a dog (or any member of the dog family) to me. I immediatly thought of the Egyptian cat goddess, Bastet. Take a look at this photo to see what I mean.

             

            So you see, various shapes that broadly define a known pattern to us can be interpreted in different ways by different people. The common thing is that our brain 'fills the gaps' or 'connects the dots' and interprets the otherwise random shapes as meaningful images. The phenomenon is known as Pareidolia, and is a cool aspect of neurobiology. We often receive enquiries about apparent fossils, which in fact are just stones that happen to look like bones or whole animals.

             

            So it's not the devil's face, nor is it a dog, and it was shaped by nature. High pressure and temperatures are exerted on stones when the crust moves. However, it is a nice object, and I wouldn't throw it away. Show it to others, and teach them about pareidolia!

             

            Best wishes,

             

            Florin

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                Nov 3, 2011 6:38 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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                Nov 3, 2011 6:24 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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                Florin, phenomena, definitely, phenomena, wolf like, wolf skin, object, didn't, definitely, Internet, phenomena, objects,course, phenomena, don't natural,  phenomena, responses, definite, possibility, don't, definitely, doesn't, object, natural, phenomena, responses.

                 

                 

                One or two mistakes are acceptable but you seem to be going for a record?

                 

                Use the spell check madam, it's at the top right hand side of the reply page. The large green tick with abc above it.

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          Nov 3, 2011 6:00 PM (in response to Episcophagus)
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          Episcophagus may I just say that I support your views entirely.
          All I could see in that lump of rock was an over zealous imagination. I even put the picture through a program to bring up the focus in case I was missing something.
          I was tempted to reply in much the same vein as you did but I thought I'd leave it to somebody who was much more eloquent than me. To take Lewis' reply and extract from it, things that Lewis never even suggested, is little more than wishful thinking on the part of LadyTojan.
          She is convinced she has an artifact and neither you nor anyone else here will persuade her otherwise.
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    Nov 4, 2011 12:33 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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    After further examination of your "Artifact" I can only conclude that you are in the company of Giovanni Schiaparelli and other such greats from history. This whole thread has a distinctly Clockwork feel to it.
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    Nov 4, 2011 1:37 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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    Hello everyone,

     

    Please remember to keep your posts civil at all times - take a step back and don't click the Post message button if you are unable to be polite. If the tone in this thread degenerates again I will be locking it.

     

    Thank you.

     

    Jonathan

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    Nov 4, 2011 5:16 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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    Hi

    The stone looks to me to be just that ... a stone ... albeit one that has been shattered by heat into a shape that vaguely resembles something dog-like.  Even if the heat was artificially applied, the outcome of that heating would be completely unpredictable, and so, any resemblance of the stone to anything else must be just coincidence.

    I would like to thank you Florin for increasing my vocabulary   ... pareidolia ... that is the only phenomenon that i see here.

    Al

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      Nov 4, 2011 9:59 PM (in response to quagga)
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      Well, as a beginner I became quite gripped by this Unusual Stone furore; though a little tense at times reading the somewhat heated posts.

       

      This stone is indeed unusual and attractive and I would keep it because of that; but I must say it does look like... just a stone that has formed naturally, having retained features mildly favouring those of a dog, maybe-but hey I'm no geologist/historian whoever.  You sound very convinced of your find

      Lady Trojan and if you don't manage to beckon any more like-mindedly, convinced replies, I really do think you could start a cult following in children's

      sci-fi  comic readers if only for your enthusiasm and dogmatism. 

       

      However, I do really see the best likeness I've had yet to the description I placed on this 'ID my spider please' section, in July-in the top right hand side of Lewis's Kitten pic!

       

      It's 4mm down and 1.8mm in.  Yes I tell you.  That patch does indeed have an unmistakable screw-patterned body-shape distinctively engrained into the background paper, cloth-weave or... could it be marble-making it a true fossil?

       

      I do hope I haven't enraged anyone, wasting people's time on what is a superb natural history resource.  I don't usually get involved in suchlike, but I just couldn't resist it.

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    Nov 6, 2011 12:26 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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    Hi

    Looks like a chunk of fractured chert.  If found in SW England I would say typical Upper Greensand (Upper Cretaceous) of West Dorset - East Devon.

    Where do you live (very approximately)?

    G

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      Nov 6, 2011 4:04 PM (in response to Dr T)
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      I have to agree with Dr T - fractured chert. I too have found pieces that look like they may have been exposed to extreme heat (I guess they have at some point) and they do indeed take on interesting forms. However, such pieces remain just that, a naturally formed piece of mineral formed by a far more supreme entity than man - Mother Nature herself.

       

      That said such pieces are interesting examples of geology and the couple I have dug up warrant a place in my cabinet of curiosities.

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          Nov 6, 2011 11:24 PM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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          maybe its the fourth (iv) one they made ?

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          Nov 7, 2011 9:53 AM (in response to LadyTrojan)
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          Sorry but I see nothing unnatural about this specimen - all the shapes and markings look 100% the products of fracturing of a chert nodule, probably Upper Cretaceous in age and possibly transported during the glaciation of your area during the Pleistocene.  I doubt if it experienced considerable heat during the formation of the chert (silicification of a sandy limestone probably) but may have done in recent times artificially - (I see no evidence but have only photos to go on).

           

          I consider the question answered and the discussion closed.

           

          I am happy it has encouraged you to learn a bit more about such minerals/rocks.  Cheers!

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