I would be grateful if you would identify these two spiders. The first was about 30mm across (including legs) and the second was much smaller, about 6mm across. I found a total of three spiders all close together, hiding in a steel pipe near a South facing wall in the far West of Cornwall. I reported a much larger spider to you about a week ago, which I had found in my greenhouse nearby. The pattern on the back seemed similar and I wondered if these also are examples of 'Steatada Nobilis' the false black widow spider.
I know your expert last time said not to panic, describing their bite as rather like a wasp or bee sting. However, I would like to mention two cases that have come to my attention (a) that of a plumber working in a loft in West Cornwall who was recently bitten by this spider and spent three weeks seriously ill in hospital with anaphylactic shock and (b) a lady with a garden 50 yards away from mine who was bitten by the same type of spider four years ago and had huge swelling of her hand and arm and very severe pain lasting several days with full recovery taking two weeks.
I would be grateful of your identification of the latest spiders and would be interested in your comments on the two cases described.