I have been working through my moth pictues from this year trying to ID several that remain UFOs at this point! Any help with IDing any of the below would be very much appreciated?
Most I'm struggling with as they are very poor pictures so apologies for this but sometimes you only get one chance and a big crop!!
Some of these are tricky, and you don't help by keeping the dates, locations and sizes secret!
As it is, I am presuming they are all British.
1. probably Celypha lacunana (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=461); Phiaris micana, Epinotia nanana and Rhyacionia pinivorana are a similar but not quite right
2. a bit like Catoptria furcatellus (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=5612), but your has no/short palpi and a pale collar/head...; also a bit like Pima boisduvaliella (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=2185) - but neither of those is close enough
3. perhaps Crambus perlella (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1539) (the palpi are too long for Udea uliginosalis)
4. rush veneer, Nomophila noctuella (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1793)
5. probaby Amblyptilia acanthadactyla (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=3884); it is somewhat variable
7. dark chestnut, Conistra ligula? (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1112)
8. a pug but none of my candidates is good enough (brindled pug, Eupithecia abbreviata; oak-tree pug, Eupithecia dodoneata; slender pug, Eupithecia tenuiata; double-striped pug, Gymnoscelis rufifasciata); perhaps mottled pug, Eupithecia exiguata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=460) is the closest
10. possibly the uncertain, Hoplodrina alsines (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=168)
Sorry about that school boy error and in a rush when posting!
All are British and taken either in my garden or home in North Somerset just South of Bristol
Dates are numbered as above
Thanks for the results so far but I will wait for you to confirm if these dates change anything?
P.S. Got a few more if you're happy to have a bash at them?....
Considering the location and date data:
2. definitely not Catoptria furcatellus, and also not Pima boisduvaliella - so I don't know
3. supports Crambus perlella
8. ditto - flight period wrong for all I hinted at
These are OK for flight period:
- Eupithecia inturbata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1121)
- Common Pug, Eupithecia vulgata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=3097), but no white sub-terminal line
- Maple Pug, Eupithecia inturbata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1121), but scarce
- Tawny Speckled Pug Eupithecia icterata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=5982), markings not quite right
- Plain Pug, Eupithecia simpliciata (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1023)
But I still don't find a good match, though I am leaning towards E. inturbata or vulgata
9. ditto - I don't know (hints a bit of lesser yellow underwing, Noctua comes, but the wings are too broad)
10. I think Hoplodrina blanda slighty more likely
Yes - let's see the others...
If so, keep up the good work!
No I'm not jeff, just a keen ameteur wildlife gardener whose trying to get into moths a bit more. I've sent you an email but basically I have been developing my garden for about four years and this summer got into moths with about 100 recorded in the garden so far. We have also recorded 20 butterfly species and I am developing a bit of a passion for both. It's my ID skills that are lacking at the moment with moths!
I can only thank you for the help this is and it is very much appreciated!
The Pug above I now think could be 'Double Stripe Pug -Gymnoscelis rufifasciata'??
I have changed the others and can now provide a few more if you are happy to oblidge?
Again all taken in my wildlife garden in North Somerset just South of Bristol...
11. 10/09/12 - I was wondering if this could be a beautiful Silver Y? We get lots of Silver Y moths but this one was much brighter and more purple...
2. 02/10/13 - some form of apple moth...
4. 26/08/13 - I'm thinking some form of underwing - large yellow possibly?
5. 31/08/13 - my guess Heart & Club?
6. 31/08/13 - looks similar to above
7. 31/08/13 - some form of underwing?
8. 30/07/13 - one of the marbled - posi=sibly Marbled Green?
9. 31/08/13 - A different view of number 9 above
11. 31/08/13 - Another worn specimen causes some problems for me...
12. 10/08/13 - Another type of brown apple moth...
That's a few more that I'm working on, I seem to struggle when they are faded which lots of these are and I'm not too sure what 'key' marks determine ID in this situation.
I hope you don't mind me submitting so many Mike but it's a great learning curve for me also!...
Ah - the second brood, in August - good point. A relatively tired/old specimen would look like yours (eg. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AGymnoscelis.rufifasciata.7885.jpg).
So - yes, I think that's a good ID.
1. (I think your 11. is a typo?)
It is a silver Y, Augrapha gamma (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=1134); there are a few recognized colour forms, but yours is just a nice fresh specimen.
I don't know of a 'beautiful silver Y'... There is a 'beautiful golden Y', Autographa pulchrina (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=19), but yours is not that.
2. Clepsis or Epiphyas; in this case, I think you are right; I think it is a light brown apple moth, Epiphyas postvittana (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=390)
3. Agriphila latistria (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=4209), but missing its palpi...
4. Underwing, you suggest... I don't think so. Noctua pronuba always (despite a lot of variation) has the dark marks nearthe tip of the forewing. N. janthina is closer, but still not right.
Neglected rustic Xestia castanea (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=302) perhaps.
8 I fancy marbled beauty, Cryphia domestica (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=55 ) rather than marbled green
9. It looks somewhat like Pandesma robusta (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=6522), but that is extremely rare.
10. Bright-line brown-eye, Lacanobia oleracea (http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=47) despite the flight period being not quite right
12. Same as 2, I think
Wow, thanks Mike I'm learning heaps here and I really appreciate you taking the time! Number 9 is extremely interesting and I can't get close to it! If your thoughts are correct then that really would be some find! How would I go about verifying this?
I'm glad that I'm also getting some correct it at least this shows that I'm heading in the right direction!
I will get these logged and cleared out of my 'to ID' file and then I only have a handful left which is great. I then have a file full of other bugs and flies etc to ID!!! LOL - By the time I've finished it will be spring again and time to start all over again!
Once again thank you so much for your time and generosity it is appreciated.
9. Pandesma robusta is only a stab in the dark; there are probably much more likely possibilities; it is just unclear to me which ones to suggest.
The single record of this species in the UK is decribed here
You will note it mentions the ID of that specimen was done by a chap at the NHM.
I note that the Entomological Record's Contents and Special Index for 2010 includes Pandesma robusta (pp.176,177,179,180), but the journal itself is not online, so I can't check that out further
It may, of course, refer to the above-mentioned record.
Further work would involve close comparison of your specimen with multiple examples of the comparator species, looking for points of similarity/difference, especially concerning the wings (size!, shape, markings), legs (markings and ornamentation), antennae (shape of segments; microscope probably needed), palpi (size, shape). If a dissection microscope was to-hand, one would also inspect the genitalia (a rather specialist skill).
Since the specimen was well worn and only photos exist of it, a significant chunk of that would is now impossible. In such cases, a reliable ID (if any) may be impossible; it depends one finding some key character intact.
I suggest you take a different approach: contact the Somerset Moth Group (http://www.somersetmothgroup.org.uk/portal) and see if you can compile a list for your area (bearing in mind their distribution maps, such as
Then you can eliminate species one by one, and hopefully end up with just one.
(Maybe you are already familiar with the SMG.)
Other folks here, and perhaps me, should be able to help you with your other bugs.
Thank you for your appreciation!