I'm finding it hard to be amused by watching these influential celebs make fun of hybrid and electric cars while promoting flashy gas guzzlers. I'm not suggesting that all the humour come out of the programme, but surely there's a need for a more responsible approach. Or is it just me?
there's mounting evidence to show that air pollution is being over-hyped, the hole over the antartic is getting smaller, temperature change was worse before co2 emissions etc search it on google
I think chopping down the forests is a more pressing concern, air pollution makes species extinct no-where near as fast as loss of habitat.
I can see what your saying, I suppose they should think about climate change and the environment. They could look at the environment-friendly cars and maybe improve their looks if thats what they don't like about them.
Well, I still find Top Gear enjoyable in a "Punch and Judy" sort-of-way as they really don't miss a chance to bash anyone. Playing on any prejudice available in the situation.
However, I do think they're missing a hugh opportunity to help us all to make good and sustainable choices when it comes to cars. Environmentally friendly cars need to be both fun and functional to drive if they're to gain a market share that actually have an impact.
I'd have to disagree with you.
I think their approach is very healthy. It promotes discussion, disagreement and reaction and bings it to the table in a nutshell. Besides which, they tend to be right. There is no real argument for the use of hybrid or electric cars on the basis that the power still has to come from fossil fuels so they aren't really saving anything and let's face it, for the most part the manufacturers are making them to meet international environmental agreements and at the bottom line.. to sell cars, not because they give a damn about the environment.
The other side of the coin is that the top gear team do also highlight certain issues through their 'special programmes', for instance, travelling across Africa in three non-four wheel drive vehicles was a pretty good indicator that for the most part they're unnecessary and certainly not a requirement for the home counties school run. Few people tend to remember these things.
Most importantly.... it's an entertainment show and their outlook is comedic! If you follow the argument through that it's unhealthy for the environment, well so is watching TV as it consumes power. On that basis perhaps we should ban TV, Radio, The internet, Cars.... ad infinitum. I think that leaves us with the option of going to the nearest park, chopping down a tree to keep warm and pretty much resorting to family based tribalism, the 'environment' will be a poorer place in a very short space of time..
It's all about perspective.
And what's wrong with being stereotypical - if by that you mean consistent. At least they give a consistent message which is more than the environemntalists can do on global warming
Anyway - the truth is that hybrid / electric cars are totally naff. When the car manufacturers actually produce something "environemntally friendly" (whatever that means) that compares to a Veyron or an Enzo then that will shut Jeremy up.
Couple of points to make about pinkpolarbear's comments.. Are you suggesting that we each buy a car magazine to got our car fix? Given that glossy magazines are a) usually read by one person only till they end up in a doctors waiting room, b) that it's known that recycling a gloss magazine is unbelievably energy expensve, much of the components inevitably going to landfill, let alone the energy expense involved in the production of the magazine in the first place. Compared to the energy involved in the production of a single tv programme watched by millions which, at the end of the day, you can turn off? I doubt that the lifecycle analsis of a tv production compared to the production of a gloss magazine is going to come down in favour of the magazine? Hardly the most environmentally friendly approach surely?
I'd like to draw a comparison... I don't eat cows but I watch Countryfile. It's a known fact that cows are the biggest polluter of the global environment. A single cow is more polluting to the environment over its lifecycle than a Formula 1 racing car.. Should we ban cows? Countryfile as a programme makes no mention of its environmental affinity and ploughs on regardless (scuse the pun), promoting livestock farming. It's assumed by the watching public that because it's about farming it must be environmentally sound. Not only is this environmentally irresponsible but I could reasonably argue that the production team are actively promoting global warming!
More programmes like Top Gear please, that offer an open opinion, reflect the public attitude, bring the argument to the table and are - in the true spirit of the BBC (and our licence payers money, educational, informative and entertaining.
I watch Top Gear quite a lot! I find it very very funny and amusing. People dont really take them seriously and it is entertaining! They are a programme about cars and they cannot be expected to use environmentally friendly cars all the time as it would not be as entertaining. Imagine a high speed race with electric cars. It wouldn't be as entertaining and they would lose viewers! I love Top Gear even though their views on the environment may not be right.
Top Gears Aproach to all things Environmental is appalling! When my Family members go to buy cars i am shocked at the amount of people trying to find cars that had been used on Top Gear! And some of the cars even SAID " Tested and approved on Top Gear!"
Well im proud to say none of my family members even glanced at the "Top Gear" Cars!
i think that there funny with some stuff, but you're right, just think of how much fuel is used in F1 racing!
Do you know what Formula 1 is for?
It's a testing ground for new vehicle technologies, some safety-related, some about materials used for vehicle manufacture and, increasingly now about fuel efficiency. The big picture is that the fuel burned in a Formula 1 season is an investment in technology which trickles down, eventually, to your cheap shopping car to make it more efficient. Scale that over the millions of vehicles bought globally over the year and you will realise that the savings in fuel efficient engines, transmissions and aerodynamics, not to mention more energy efficient manufacturing techniques, are not just financial.
Err Electric cars... yeah great, lets use some fossil fuels to charge up the "environmentally friendly car". As for hydrogen powered vehicles, what powers the plant that makes the hydrogen and what tows the tanker to the filling station... Hmm I do beleive its no enviromentally friendly powerstation or electric lorry LOL
Top Gear is what it is, a somewhat informative light entertainment show, it will never wave the greenpeace flag as long as Jezza is on the show and the day it does is the day I stop watching it.
If it offends you so much, don't watch it!
lol, it's not a myth, but it is natural....
the myth is that mankind and our machines are the ones solely resposible for global warming. True, we are speeding up the process a bit, but in planetary terms, not really much at all....
I think you all tend to take this programme far too seriously. its primary function is surely entertainment - nothing more or less and anyone who is likely to be persuaded by Clarksaon et all are not worth saving anyway!!!! i enjoy the programme but it does not change my opinions. you may as well put a block on all programmes that dont follow a certainly line of thought. there is something known as freedom of speach. loosen up a bit and more maybe achieved in the long run
Top Gear is primarily a commercial venture, designed to be sufficiently entertaining to make alot of money for stakeholders. That is its raison d'etre. It doubtless has other worthy objectives too but there is a pecking order of priorities. Social responsibility and environmental concerns may be in there somewhere, but if so, are probably lower down the list in terms of priority.
However it is one thing to articulate sincerely held beliefs contradicting current environmental concerns; this potentially adds to the richness of an important debate affecting everyone on the planet. It is quite another to pose as "harmless" irreverent entertainment when the real motives are a little bit more basic than that; there is an unresolved ethical problem with this programme and that is why it is does not amuse anymore.
Slightly flawed Range Rover argument but, expressed properly, does illustrate the point you make.
If you buy a brand new Range Rover and run it normally over its design life (i.e. don't crash it and throw it away after 18 months) then the entire cycle of manufacture, fuel burned and used as lubricant, consumable parts used and energy used in recycling it has a lower environmental impact overall than if you apply the same cradle-to-grave calculations to a Prius. Because a RR is made largely of aluminium which can be very efficiently recycled and the Prius is nearly as heavy and consists largely of unpleasant battery chemicals which can't. And it has to lug around a heavy petrol engine all the time, even when running solely on batteries.
Top Gear is a TV show watched by those who enjoy a light-hearted look at cars, driving and motoring issues. Watched and made by enthusiasts, obviously it will poke fun at detractors. The rest of the TV schedule is filled with eco-mentalists demonising the car (but not so much public transport, air travel, farming, deforestation, central heating, consumption of food transported around the globe ...) so let's get this 12 hours per year of TV into perspective.
And while we're at it, lets get the contribution of the private motorist to the CO2 problem into perspective too. If you support Carbon Offsetting then the Road Tax, and fuel duties paid by motorists are ample compensation. We should apply the same tarrifs to air travel.
My big brother says 'I think the debate is a load of rubbish and your just gonna make a fool of yourself cuz your just a carwasher', but i completely disagree with him because:
a) he's an idiot
b) he has no idea what he's talking about
c) he doesn't care for the environment
d) he's an idiot
YES Top Gear is funny! I agree with people that they should take the environmental side of it more seriously, but then I also agree that if it offends you so much, don't watch it, and no one takes it seriously anyway. i don't think it would be fair if the programme were to stop because some people were taking it too serously. we all need something to laugh at at the weekend, and if its nutters going on about driving fast cars then so be it.